Well, I've been asking around, and it seems that there are a few options available for me:
1) Continue my housemanship - as advised by pretty much everyone. Which part of "I want to quit!" do they not understand?
2) Submit a 24-hour resignation notice (Notis peletakan jawatan) - the most bad-ass way to quit your job. But I have to pay them my one month salary, which is around RM3600. And if you do quit, the next time you want to apply to become a houseman again, they will hire you based on a contract basis. Meaning they can send you to wherever they want you to go (anywhere within Malaysia that is, duh), and they can terminate you at any time if they're not satisfied with you.
3) Submit a 1-month resignation notice - you don't have to pay them a month's worth of salary, but then you have to work with them for another 1 month. I can't even bear to see the hospital for just another day, so this option's not for me. The contract basis applies just like option No.2 as well.
4) Unpaid leave (Cuti tanpa gaji) - this was my initial plan, to take a 6 months leave and use that time to get another job. Not that I plan to return to work as a houseman after 6 month, but this option seems to get the least objection from my girlfriend and my parents. Oh yes, I do have a girlfriend, hence the mess I am in now. If I don't have a girlfriend, I would've just quit and take a Degree in Automotive Engineering. Which means another 4 years of studying and not getting paid. I'm planning to marry her in a year or two, so I can't afford to continue studying. I need a job. And I need to pay for my car as well. That's RM800 per month. So I cant afford to be jobless for the next 4 years. Anyway, I was not entitled to get the unpaid leave. I have to work with them for at least a year, and even if I do that, they can only give me a maximum of 30 days of unpaid leave. That sucks.
5) Missing in action (Tidak hadir bertugas) - this is my current plan. According to the admin people, if I don't show up for work, then they're just gonna stop paying me my salary. When I feel like working again, I can just show up for work, and then they'll start paying me again. I don't have to be rehired on a contract basis. But of course it won't look nice on my work record. If I show up for work again (which I will never do), they will take disciplinary actions (most probably just an extension for that current posting, which I'm pretty sure I'm going to get anyways). **Update: Do not choose method 5 if you want to seriously quit for good. They'll send you letters, call you, and stuff.
So there you go, some of the options available if you're planning to quit your housemanship like I do. Feel free to add more info if you have any.
I'M in the same boat with u.. I really mean same cause I have a GF and we are planning to get married end of this year. And not to mention the car loan and education loans I have to pay monthly. I already went trough housemanship for 1 years and 6 months (but just 3 posting due to extension on my 3rd posting for almost a year)... I went depressed and I'm in the verge of quitting.
ReplyDeleteAny suggestions buddy..
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So basically you have another year to go? Most people would advise you to just carry on, and endure another year. But me? Just quit. There are tons of other jobs that you can find out there with almost similar pay. I just received a job offer from a medical computer systems company. Not sure how much is the salary, but i'll update it here soon. It's better that you have lower salary but got to spend more time with ur loved ones, than having the money, but coming back home depressed everyday.
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DeleteHi danny. I've been doing housemanship for the past 1 year but just started with 2nd posting. Got extended due to some reasons. Since the beginning, I'm struggling here with "bad" bosses and this lifeless phase of mine. I'm too depressed till i myself went to seek psy counselling.i was under psy mc fr the past 5 months with mdctns. But in this period, i cant really live my life though..always stressed up n depressed. It was my ambition to become a doctor but now i do feel that i hv lost interedt in it. I shared this matter with my family n boyfriend. Initially he was reluctant to support my decision but now he is supportive. But my mom (being a single parent), she cant accept this. I've been trying for other jobs as well but my commitments pushes me to find a job with stable pay (since my commitment per month is 2600). So here I'm confused. I'm helpless. I do not want this job but due to my family situation it forces me to stay in this line. Can anybody help me?? I'm clueless
Deletehye Danny, my wife juga ada masalah yg sama mcm u, so nk tnye u lah resignation notice (Notis peletakan jawatan)tu hantar kpd pihak hospital or KKM?
ReplyDeletehi bro, borang resign tu hantar ke pihak hospital je.. nanti dorang yang akan handle dgn KKM. rasanya hantar ke pengarah hospital je, sbb dia nak kena sign borang tu..
Deletetq bro, aku faham benar keadaan u mse h.o tu, wife aku pn teruk jgk, aku pn x faham ngn system dan keadaan kat hospital malaysia ni. em, lg satu,u kena bayar balik ke JPA scholarship?
Deletewife bro amik JPA ke? kalau ambik jpa, susah sikit la.. rasanya kena bayar balik rm160,000. itu yg latest aku dengar la.. dulu rasanya rm250,000.. kalau nak lagi detail, rasenye baik contact jpa.. sebab aku tak ambil jpa, so tak tau sangat..
ReplyDeleteyup, dy ambil JPA...tu yg susah sikit, terikat...ok bro, tq 4 ur help here... :)
Deleteno prob.. sorry la tak dapat nak tolong sangat.. sebab aku pun tak berapa mahir bab2 JPA ni.. setakat dengar2 je.. kalau salah sori la..
DeleteIm year 5 med students. Sad story though. Can i ask a question? Will houseman ever get fired? I really wish to know. Dont be too upset my friends, life is too short to be depressed. Wish u guys all the best. Pls take some time to ans :) tq so much
ReplyDeleteWell, never heard of such a case so far. But there is a maximum period for housemanship (i think 3 or 6 years if i'm not mistaken, cant remember), so if u cant finish ur HO within that time limit, then yes, you will get fired.
DeleteGetting extended in your postings is much more common. And if u get extended quite often, I doubt u would have the determination to continue your housemanship. So getting fired is not really the main issue here. People usually quit HO, they dont get fired from it.
And perhaps in rare cases where u keep doing fatal mistakes until u are deemed to dangerous to practice, then yes they might terminate u.
By the way, no, I'm not upset. Trust me, I've never been happier since I quit my housemanship. Sure there are ups and downs in my new job, but at least I feel alive! I feel like a normal human being with a normal job, not like the lifeless zombie that I was when I was a HO.
im goin to quit, in the process of it, planning for the 6 months thingy, planning to get a good job during that time , go to hell with housemanship, if only i could rewing time n choosed another line, wasted my time for tis trash
ReplyDeleteArgh... im mia for 2days already... feeling like quitting this shitty h.o.. fortunately im mara scholar n hv to pay 1% only n hv a really supportive n understanding husband who neva force me to continue this shitty thing as he is also doing the 5th posting h.o right now but he is able to survive n hv the courage to finish h.o.. but im not sure about mia... what shud i do?do i hv to call HR dat im mia?im going to resign later but still think wat is the bes thing for me..
ReplyDeleteIf u're not going to be present for work, make sure you inform your friends so that they can find a replacement for you. Sure they'll get angry, but at least if you inform them, they can rearrange the schedule.
DeleteDo make up your mind before you decide to MIA/resign. Try not to be like some HO who MIA for a few days, then go to work for a few days, then MIA again, repeating the cycle.
How many days it is eligible to be mia?1 year?
DeleteBtw how many days it is eligible to be mia? For 1year?
ReplyDeleteYou need to clarify this with the HR. Can just give them a call, Im sure they have all the right info. Different hospital might have different administration.
DeleteSeriously..im afraid of resigning.. it is seriously the end of our career???
DeleteOr the beginning? You may never know. Ask yourself what you really want to become.
DeleteDid u eve try to apply for trainee lec for preclinical subj?RA? PTD?
ReplyDeleteApplied for PTD and lecturer, no response.
Deletewhat is RA?
Hie guys... me houseman who has aledy gone my first posting where I hv aledy got extended for sm shitty reason. So I think its not worth it to be in this field since I'm not interested to be here in the first place. Planning to quit! Planning to apply lecturing job or others as well. Where to apply? Hw to apply? Please gv me suggestion, guys. And I'm a jpa holder as well, sadly.
ReplyDeleteYou can try applying from the websites of the respective universities.
DeleteAim for private unis which are not so popular, cos their expectations are lower. E.g. MSU.
hi danny, how are u..thank God,finall i find someone like me..actually im still ame dical student ,a final year medical student..honestly, this is my third time doing my final year..i take a rest twice becouse of stress..i plan to quit my medical degree and change to another course..yes,most of people around me object my decision but for me,they dont know how stress i am ..
ReplyDeleteHi danny, hope you are still going through this blog
ReplyDeleteGood blog. Same here, same feeling, same situation, BUT still not quit. Soon I hope.
I just want to ask which method did you use?
Hi,
DeleteI initially did not turn up for work (but I informed the HO leader for the upcoming posting, as well as the admin side, prior to that), eventually i send my proper resignation letter.
I would advise that if you really want to quit, send the proper resignation letter. Saves you a lot of trouble.
Did you send the 24 hours one or 1 month notice?
DeleteIf the first, how much do we have to pay? The 1 month salary is base on basic only, or total salary?
Let's say I send it later end if this month, after the salary banked it. Will it still 1 month salary?
I sent a 24 hour notice. However Im not sure how much I have to pay back, whether 1 month basic or total. It should be basic. I havent received any reply from them yet.
DeleteWhat? You haven't received any reply yet? When did you send it?
DeleteWhen you said about 'trouble' , what do you mean by that? This happens if we go for MIA right? And you HR officer actually gave you the MIA option? That's cool!
Nway, sorry to disturb you
Nope. But Im guessing if I call the Finance department, surely I would have some outstanding amount I need to pay them.
DeleteAnyway, by trouble, I mean they're gonna send letters to you, mentioning that you haven't come to work for so and so period, and they're gonna take "tindakan tatatertib" against you, and they're also gonna call you. Perhaps nothing serious, but troublesome nonetheless.
And by the way, it isnt exactly the option to "MIA", just that HR told me that I have the option of not coming to work, as long as I inform HR and the posting leader. Of course I'll have a bad name and record, but at that time it doesn't seem to matter. It still doesn't seem to matter now.
Owh, I thought they gonna sort out the pay straight away.
DeleteThe last time I was trying to quit (which is not successful), the send me to see the financial dept straight away. I didn't get the amount on that day and never since, cause I fucking changed my mind for various reasons :( Attempted to quit at that time was very difficult coz before quitting, you have to see the Pengarah, Timbalan Pengarah,Counsellor, and eventually Psy.
You informed your HR like "I'll be MIA"? Till how long then they cut the salary? I hope they can do it sooner, so I wont feel guilty for receiving money that I dont work for.
My biggest challenge will be my parents. I have read through the blog from A to Z, and it seems you didnt tell them about you quitting. My situation is kind of difficult because you see, I am living with them since I was working at Hosp near hometown. By hook or by crook I have to tell them, otherwise how would I explain about me not going to work or me going away for a long time. Damn, this is gonna be difficult. It's not gonna be a shock I think, coz this is not my fist time telling them what I want, just this time I really gonna do it. It's gonna take a lot of mental and emotional strength.
Your blog really helping me, I hope it does to other too. I understand the feeling you were going through, where every day I wish I was hit by a trailer, or I have the courage to jump down the hospital window, or hire someone to kill me. That's how I have been feeling and loathing this job. It is eating me inside out.
1. "MIA" isnt such a nice word to use with the HR. You can just inform them that you dont want to come to work a.k.a. tidak hadir bertugas. Regardless, consult HR first and see what are the options you have. Different hospital might have different systems.
Delete2. I told my parents. In fact I have been hinting them since medical school. Sure it will be really tough, dealing with all the drama. But sooner or later they will have to accept your decision. People can't be shocked forever. Once you told them, you're gonna feel much better, another burden off your chest.
"Your blog really helping me, I hope it does to other too. I understand the feeling you were going through, where every day I wish I was hit by a trailer, or I have the courage to jump down the hospital window, or hire someone to kill me. That's how I have been feeling and loathing this job. It is eating me inside out."
Deletei like this paragraph alot.thats exactly what i'm feeling right now.and thanks Danny,your blog really makes me easier to understand about the options i have.
Hi there. I came across ur blog recently. Its obvious that im thinking about quitting ho aite? Haha. Screw this ho life. Ive been crying day in and day out thinking what i should do with my life. Ive been on psy mc for months (f**k yeah) with anxiety-depression. I just dnt know where to go and what to do.
ReplyDeleteHey bro. Luv ur blog man. I want to ask u if i has been MIA for nearly 6months, then suddenly want to continue back my HO...do i have to rpt all posting or just the remaining one?
ReplyDeleteHi, this one you'll have to check with HR, as I'm not sure of whether or not you could just continue your current posting. I have a feeling it should be ok.
DeleteOh, and thanks for the compliment :)
DeleteHi there,
ReplyDeleteSo my question is about deferring or postponing the start of my housemanship.
Basically despite informing my uni that I wanted to take 6 months to a year off before starting work, I was told that we had to apply with my uni and even when I spoke to SPA when I suggested applying later and they reaffirmed that I should apply with my uni.
I still havent submitted my BMD form though, so I have a few questions.
1) Will I still get my induction letter since I have not submitted m BMD form, can I just choose to not submit that till I am ready?
2) Do I have to decline the offer from SPA and reapply since I only want to start in a year?
3) How long can I take off after graduation before applying for housemanship? Is there a rule on the duration of time?
Hi.
DeleteI'm really not sure about this one. But I was informed previously that as long as I did not attend the induction, I can postpone my housemanship and schedule for another induction later on. However I'm not so sure. You might want to confirm this with your university admin or SPA.
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ReplyDeleteHi Danny....
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for this useful info. After more than a year of working, i still feel depressed, demotivated, and dispassionate. It's even suck that I failed medical posting eop 2x and had to be transferred to other hosp, which is far away from my hometown. I really tried to hang on here but after almost 3 months here I became even depressed and having these suicidal thought.
My supervisor (our boss) is so understanding. She referred me to PSY coz she is afraid (and me too) that I might suffered from depression (which maybe i do, I felt this way years already, and I was so stupid of choosing this career in the first place). As usual, psychiatry is more focus on me quitting rather than my general condition, but I keep on insisted that even if I am not depress, I still wanna quit. Out of the blue my boss told me not to work so today marked a week of not working. But I still am not officially resigned coz I just dunno what and how to proceed. At least now I know what to do and expect thanks to u. It sucks that I am under JPA also. If not, sure I already quit long time ago, my parent actually are okay with it but that JPA is what make them asked me to continue.
Originally I wanna hang on til the assessment where I'll purposely failed myself so that I can be terminated from this career. But sadly, a week before assessment I had mental breakdown.
Anyway, I'll follow upon your journey so that when I resigned later at least i know I am not the only one here. :)
Take care Danny and I'm glad to hear that you are much happier than when you were a HO.
High Five.
DeleteI also failed medical posting EOP X2 & had to tranferred to other hosp.
But while the process will take 2 months plus. So i just MIA until now, because i couldnt stand the work environment. I dont feel i belong there.
Idk whther i should take leave or just quit. If i wnt to take leave idk where and who to see/ deal with. Inseriously cnnot go through ho anymore. Not for 1 dayyy pun. Ive been thinking of mia but scared of doing it. Pls advisee!!
ReplyDeleteYou can ask help from your specialist that in charge of HO. When I reached my breaking point, I considered of MIA and run away, but in the end I decided to ask to meet my supervisor. Thankfully she is a very understanding person and also caring, she helped me a lot throughout my difficulty. All the best!
DeleteHi danny.. glad that I saw your blog.. btw..do u or does anyone here know what is the age limit or time limit from the time we resigned if we were to reapply ho (contract basis)? Just wonder
ReplyDeletehey there, i actually reapply HO back and still waiting for the result wheater i get the job or not. u can reapply back after 6 months u resign.
DeleteWhat if I resigned for over 1 year ..? 😰
DeleteHi there, I also resigned housemanship (24 hours noticed) around a year ago.. It's not that I could not tolerate the system, I was just not ready yet. Now I think I'm ready to work but I have no idea whether how to re-apply to KKM. Anyone did re-apply and get the job back? Can you share your experience on that?
ReplyDeletehai! I also resigned ho last year and planning to reapply. How's your progress? I'm still in the process of applying back.
DeleteOoo, similar situation here, anyhow i am ready to go back to work, but what happened here was that i attended the induction and learnt to my horror that induction means im hired. so i didnt turn up to report for duty and i tried contacting spa about it but no one got back to me about the resignation process, so no fees were paid either. anyone has any idea what i should do? or what i can do? point me in a direction please, thanks in advance :)
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ReplyDeleteHi there,
ReplyDeleteCan anyone guide me how to reapply?
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ReplyDeleteHi all, would appreciate some help here please.
ReplyDeleteSo my gf is in her second posting, 6 months into her housemanship in Queen Elizabeth Hospital Sabah while I'm still a medical student. The job is putting too much strain on our relationship.
Is there a way whereby she could stop working for the moment and continue sometime in the future (probably in a year or so) in a different hospital?
Danny, any comments? Some help please. We're really lost and don't know what to do.